Date: Wed, 22 Dec 93 19:35:59 PST From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1499 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Wed, 22 Dec 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1499 Today's Topics: ?Phonetic alphabet for numbers? experience on HT wide-band receive License Logging Programs (HYPERLOG) Morse Code blues & young hams November 1981 QST One Sad Christmas Repeater database? THE> Send subscription requests to: Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Dec 93 22:16:20 GMT From: ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!sgiblab!uhog.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!ll.mit.edu!wjc@network.ucsd.edu Subject: ?Phonetic alphabet for numbers? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <9312221357.aa00505@cbdcom.apgea.army.mil>, wejones@cbdcom.apgea.ARmy.MIL (Bill Jones ) writes: |> I suspect that what I'm looking for doesn't exist, but is there some |> way to represent numbers phonetically? I have never thought of myself as |> having a strange accent of speech problem, but I have a hard time getting |> other stations to understand the number in my call, in particular when |> I say "3" about 50 % of the time it is interpreted as "2", which is |> strange since the two numbers don't sound similar to me. I can give the |> |> ...stuff deleted... |> Your question answers one I've had for years. Long ago I came across a list of standard pronunciations for numbers. I don't remember the source of the list, but it was something like the U.S. Army Signal Corp or the ICAO. The two digits which stand out in my memory are 3 and 9. The recommended pronunciation for 3 was "THU-REE" and for 9 either "NIE-YEN" or "NIE-NER". I wondered why the regular, English pronunciation for 3 was considered inadequate. I guess I now know! 73 Bill Chiarchiaro N1CPK wjc@ll.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 93 14:45:04 PST From: davidsys.com!hopprich@uunet.uu.net Subject: experience on HT wide-band receive To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I am a new ham who is considering buying a handheld. I am trying to decide which HT I want to buy as a first rig, I want an HT for portability. Basically what I would like is a dual bander 2m/70cm with a wide-band receiver, (that's not too much to ask is it!-) I guess I may have to compromise. I would like the wideband to act as a scanner to listen to various bands and services and get a feel for them, preferably down below 100MHz to pickup comercial FM (if this is possible), as well as several HAM and aircraft bands etc. I would like the 2m/70cm for all the activity and the many repeaters on these bands. The basic questions I have are; 1. how well does Icom's 2SRA work on 2m and wideband 2. does anybody have experience with any mods to other HT's to increase their reception bandwidth, preferably a dual-bander. Thanks in advance for any information/experience. John Hopprich hopprich@davidsys.com KD6PAH ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 93 08:57:56 GMT From: news.cs.indiana.edu!sgiblab!tsoft!chu@rutgers.rutgers.edu Subject: License To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I'm thinking of getting into amateur radio... but wondering if there are any volunteers in the Santa Clara area willing to test me (should the time come...) -- Michael Chu (bbs.chu@tsoft.net) ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 1993 17:11:52 GMT From: library.ucla.edu!agate!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.tamu.edu!TAYLOR.TAMU.EDU!gtaylor@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Logging Programs (HYPERLOG) To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Speaking of logging programs...can someone provide the number for the Hyperlog dial-up BBS...I don't get an answer at 844-9023 which is the number I got elsewhere. Please respond by reply...I don't know if they have disconnected the reader for break or what but haven't got any new messages all day...thanks Greg KD4HZ, gtaylor@taex003n.tamu.edu Greg Taylor, KD4HZ // g-taylor4@tamu.edu // 409-845-4445 // Fax-847-8744 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 01:28:42 GMT From: netcomsv!netcom.com!n1gak@decwrl.dec.com Subject: Morse Code blues & young hams To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <2f7ujfINNdsr@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu> cbr600@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeremy Utley) writes: > >Hello all. Just had my first bad experience as a Tech plus licensee. Went up ... goes on to describe getting no response on 15M ... > >73's everyone. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Jeremy L. Utley | jlu@cygnus.cis.ksu.edu I get out on 40m now and again, and on the West coast (don't let that 1 fool ya ... I was living in MA when I got my license, but I'm a CA boy at hart) I hear LOTS of Novices & Tech Plusses ... Had many pleasant QSOs many of them with young hams. Ended up giving a radio to one high-school group starting a ham-radio club on campus. Wish there'd been one when I was in high school. On a related note, I want to describe an interaction I saw in a popular ham radio dealer here in the bay area ... Young fellow comes up to the counter. He's about 11 or 12, has his mother in tow. Idly chatting with someone else at the counter about how he's just about to take his exam, and is shopping for a radio for his birthday. Asks the sales-object (an extra) to explain a radio, and gets lectured (at great length) that "This isn't CB, ya know, kid, you get caught using this, and it's a $10,000 fine." One less young ham. With any luck, he'll persist and buy a radio at a swap. Last time I ever spent a dime in that place. (Although, I do go in now & again to see if anything has shown up on the bulletin board [cork not electronic]) Scott scott@jackson.lambda.com (preferred) scott@n1gak.ampr.org (if you like things to go slowly) ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 1993 17:29:42 GMT From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!curran@network.ucsd. Subject: November 1981 QST To: info-hams@ucsd.edu One of the college clubs in your area will probably have a roomfull of QST's. Perhaps someone on the net?? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 22:38:52 -0500 From: titan.ksc.nasa.gov!k4dii.ksc.nasa.gov!user@ames.arpa Subject: One Sad Christmas To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Yes, Virginia, there WAS a Santa Clause. Reports have been slow to emerge, but here is what I've been able to piece together about his demise. Do you remember the year when there were stories about Santa's sleigh running over little old ladies? I think there was even a song written about someone's grandmother being done-in that way. Apparently, that year was Santa's last trip. It seems that the reindeer were in an especially foul mood. It didn't help things, when someone started the rumor about Rudolph receiving special treatment just prior to the trip. Needless to say, reports of reckless sleigh driving came from all over the world that year. That was the year I happened to catch Santa on 20 Meters, as he was returning home from the trip. He was operating as SANTA1, up near the top of the band, trying to unwind after the grueling delivery schedule. He did seem to be a bit grouchy, and complained about rebellious reindeer. We signed off as he arrived home. I happened to leave the receiver on, and noticed that someone had either left their VOX turned on, or sat something on their microphone button. I could hear noises in the background, as if someone tripped and fell down. It was followed by what sounded like hoofs pounding and someone screaming. Then it abruptly ended, as if someone had bumped the microphone and released the button. In a few seconds, I recovered and put out a call to see what might have happened. After several tries, I heard an excited voice using the callsign, ELF27. He was too excited to say much then. But after about 20 minutes, he came back again. He proceded to describe what he had found. Santa had apparently slipped or lost his footing, and fallen. Then, he was attacked by the team of 8 reindeer. Once Santa succumbed to the trampling, they turned their wrath toward Rudolph. ELF27 described a scene where body parts were everywhere, with Rudolph's bloody, still glowing nose lying in the gory snow. ELF27 and I maintained a regular schedule for a long time after that. He kept me informed about the Elves recovering from their grief, and about efforts to find a replacement for Santa. As you probably realize, most of the world is not aware this happened to Santa at all. One year later, there was a "new" Santa making the annual trip. ELF27 related that one of the other Elves (ELF45) was very good at politics. After the tragedy, he emerged as a natural leader, and had virtually no opposition. The widow, Mrs. Claus, took a liking to him, and before the year had elapsed, they were married. Now, if you think it odd for a young Elf to go for an elderly widow, you must understand that although Santa was quite old, he had outlived several wives. The widow, Mrs. Claus, was actually quite young and attractive, so ELF45 had no hesitation. I haven't talked to ELF27 for some time. He did mention that ELF45 had adopted the SANTA1 callsign, and can sometimes be heard at the top end of 20 Meters, late Christmas Eve. 73, Fred, K4DII 12/21/93 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1993 02:37:49 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!iat.holonet.net!bwilkins@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Repeater database? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu mkb@cs.cmu.edu (Mike Blackwell) writes: : : Is a database of (US) repeaters available (for free or licensable)? : Something like what's used to generate the ARRL repeater directory : is what I'm interested in - presumably it's in some electronic form : already. Any leads greatly appreciated. : : Mike Blackwell -- ke3ig -- mkb@cs.cmu.edu The Database of US repeaters is kept by individual coordinators in each state or region. There must be at least fifty of them. Once a year the repeater coordinators send in their part of the data to the ARRL. The ARRL compiles the data into a vary fine book known as the ARRL REPEATER DIRECTORY. Many of the individual coordinating groups copyright the material that is published. Like your local phone book the info is only good as of the date of publication. It would be fair to say that twenty percent of the repeaters listed make a change each year. New ones going on line each week. Old ones fading away... Callsigns change, and they finally added ctcss tone to the two meter box on the mountain so we don't have to hear the one-ways from the guys in the next state. Good luck if you think you can do the work of fifty groups.... bob -- Bob Wilkins n6fri voice 440.250+ 100pl san francisco bay area bwilkins@cave.org packet n6fri @ n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.na ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 05:48:07 GMT From: usc.edu!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!emory!kd4nc!n4tii@network.ucsd.edu Subject: THE>Anyone experiencing problems with Kantronics' products, particularly the >KAM, in networks utilizing THE>Our problem seems to occur due to THE>and prevents the KAM from validating a node's packets. Problem does not >seem to occur when a MFJ (TNC-2 clone) TNC is on the receiving end. Kantronics >boxes have included KAM (version 5 firmware), KAM (enhancement board & version >6 firmware), and KPC-2 (version 5 firmware). >Changing our THE>the problem. >Suggestions? Comments? I am a node operator for one of the nodes in Ga Wing Civil Air Patrol's packet communications system.... My node (GVL:GA0985 on CAP packet) is TheNet 2.10st and it's running on an MFJ1270.... the surrounding nodes are KaNodes (KPC-3's).... (we're in the process of converting all our KaNodes to netrom-style nodes...ka-node was good and cheap and got us online rather quick). Anyway.... I do get a some thruput trouble when talking to the Kanodes...but's it's not much.. and not enough to disrupt traffic greatly....our biggest problem with the MFJ and TheNet is that the dadgum TNC puts out a birdie right on the CAP packet frequency...(I done spun the little trimmer cap and fixed it, though). 73 de John n4tii > 73 >< Carl > K8NHE ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 1993 17:42:48 GMT From: library.ucla.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eff!news.kei.com!news.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!curran@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Where are all the young enthusiasts? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Just a thought about CW requirements and licences. The last I new, and quite possibly not so now, The novice and tech licences included some wonderful CW only bandspace (Pick your favorite band). Do new hams get access to these freqs without demonstrating rudimentary CW skills? How about the opposite side of this argument. I.E. why should one need to know EE theory to upgrade from general to advanced and advanced to extra? While homebrewing is a vibrant part of the service, in these days of mass marketed radios, it is not essential. How about rewarding operating practice and amature service as an alternative method of upgrade. (Impracticality arguments welcome). 73 Mark KA1ODA/7 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 06:07:22 GMT From: usc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!kd4nc!n4tii@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References , , <1993Dec21.214936.7904@genroco.com> Subject : Re: Where are all the young enthusiasts? don@genroco.com (Don Woelz) writes: >In article msanders@sim.es.com (Milt Sanders) writes: >>In article , warnergt@cbnewsi.cb.att.com >>(george.t.warner) wrote: >>> >>> >Where are all the young enthusiasts? >>> >>> They are waiting for the obsolete code requirements to be eliminated. >> >>I disagree: I know five young hams in my area (under the age of 17) who >>are studying code, and two who have been making CW contacts on the novice >>bands and are nearly ready to get their general licenses at 13 WPM. I also >>just upgraded to general, and worked hard to meet the code requirements. >> >I also disagree: My son, now 15 has had a General Class license for >almost a year now, and had a Novice before than, and started with >the codeless Technician license. His favorite pasttime is CW >contesting! > Donald D. Woelz, K9GR Office Phone: 414-644-8700 > GENROCO, Inc. K9GR @WB9TYT.#MKE.WI.USA.NOAM > 205 Kettle Moraine Drive North k9gr@k9gr.ampr.org [44.92.1.48] > Slinger, WI 53086 U.S.A. don@genroco.com I'm almost 23 on this end...I got my license when I was 17 and a Junior in High school....(Got Novice and Technician within a month of each other). A year later, I got my General and have been in a holding pattern since... The problem I am having with my club is my age... I am the first young ham they've had in a while that is highly active....always on the radio...operating at field day, raising hell at club meetings, etc.... It seems that everytime there's a problem in the club, I'm the one to blame. Shortly after I got my license, we had a problem with a TouchTone bandit on the club repeater....all the OF's thought it was me..... even since, I have been more active then 80% of the club members, yet I'm still passed up for club nominations each year, passed up for control operator appointments, special duties in the club, etc... MMy club as yet to give me the respect that I deserve as a member and as a person..everytime I open my mouth at a meeting, I'm met with a "That's nice son" attitude and a motion to shut up... I'm cut off in mid sentence, etc... I don't if other clubs are like that with their new young hams, but mine is bad... Some of these old phartes need to learn that us new hams have plenty to offer and in no way are we threatening to the establishment... I've done plenty for my club, without return.... if they only knew what I was capable of... in the CAP, I am a group communications officer, a node operator, a repeater control operator and site custodian for the machine, I node op a ham node, (GVL07:n4tii-7 in Gainesville, GA - 145.07), I am in AF MARS, (afa2fh), and have been a region 2 net control station, a beacon station, a TEXN agent. I'm the AEC for the Hall County GA ares...etc etc etc.... but I'm just not qualified to serve as an officer in my club because "I'm too little!" [SOUR GRAPES MODE - off] 73 de John "pissed off at Lanierland Amatuer Radio Club" Reed, N4tii n4tii%kd4nc.uucp@gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 1993 10:12 PST From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!destroyer!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!erich.triumf.ca!bennett@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References , , c Subject : Re: what frequencies are marine band? In article , sohn@apple.com (Phil Sohn) writes... >In article , >linnig@m2000.dseg.ti.com (Mike Linnig) wrote: > >> Here is a list of VHF marine frequencies that I got off the net... >> >> >> 156.275 MC <65> (port operations) 156.300 MS <6> (intership saftey) >> ... >> 157.425 MS <88> (commercial) >> >> -- Mike, N5QAW >> > >Note that some of the channels have different frequencies for ship and >shore communication: I assume for full duplex. I forget which channels are >set up that way, but there are only a half dozen of them. > >phil sohn, KE6CRR I mailed this list to the original poster, but since there seems to be additional interest, I will post it here... This shows the shore TX frequencies for the duplex channels, as well as indicating which channels are affected by the US/International switch. Marine VHF channel frequencies and usage Chan Ship Tx Ship Rx Area Use ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 156.050 160.650 IC Ship/shore - telephone 02 156.100 160.700 IC Ship/shore - telephone 03 156.150 160.750 IC Ship/shore - telephone 04 156.200 160.800 I Ship/shore - telephone 04A 156.200 C Canadian Coast Guard - authorized stations 05 156.250 160.850 I *Ship/shore - telephone 06 156.300 Intership - Safety 07 156.050 160.650 *Ship/shore - telephone 07A 156.350 Intership-Ship/shore - commercial 08 156.400 Intership - commercial 09 156.450 Intership-Ship/shore 10 156.500 Intership-Ship/shore - commercial 11 156.550 Vessel Traffic Management 12 156.600 Vessel Traffic Management 13 156.650 Bridge to bridge - 1 watt - Safety of Nav. 14 156.700 Vessel Traffic Management 15 156.750 EPIRB Buoy 16 156.800 International Distress/Safety/Calling 17 156.850 Pilotage - vessel docking/manoeuvers 18 156.900 161.500 I *Port Operation 18A 156.900 Intership-Ship/shore - commercial 19 156.950 161.550 I *Port Operation 19A 156.950 *Port Operation 20 157.000 *Port Operation 21 157.050 161.650 I *Port Operation 21A 157.050 A US Coast Guard - authorized stations 21B 161.650 C Canadian Coast Guard - Weather Broadcasts 22 157.100 161.700 I *Port Operation 22A 157.100 CA US/Canadian Coast Guard - Public Working Freq. 23 157.150 161.750 IC Ship/shore - telephone (in Canada) 23A 157.150 *Port Operation (USCG) 24 157.200 161.800 Ship/shore - telephone 25 157.250 161.850 Ship/shore - telephone 26 157.300 161.900 Ship/shore - telephone 27 157.350 161.950 Ship/shore - telephone 28 157.400 162.000 Ship/shore - telephone 60 156.025 160.625 IC Ship/shore - telephone 61 156.075 160.675 I *Ship/shore - telephone 61A 156.075 C Intership-S/S - Can. Coast Guard Private 62 156.125 160.725 I *Ship/shore - telephone 62A 156.125 C Intership-S/S - Can. Coast Guard Private 63 156.175 160.775 I *Ship/shore - telephone 63A 156.175 C Intership-Ship/shore - commercial 64 156.225 160.825 IC Ship/shore - telephone 65 156.275 160.875 I *Ship/shore - telephone 65A 156.275 CA Port Operation (Canadian Coast Guard Private) 66 156.325 160.925 I *Ship/shore - telephone, Port Operation 67 156.375 Intership-Ship/shore 68 156.425 Intership-Ship/shore - non-commercial 69 156.475 Intership-Ship/shore 70 156.525 Digital Selective Calling - Distress and Safety 71 156.575 Vessel Traffic Management 72 156.625 Intership 73 156.675 Intership-Ship/shore 74 156.725 Vessel Traffic Management ( 75 and 76 not used ) 77 156.875 Pilotage - vessel docking/manoeuvers 78 156.925 161.525 *Port Operation 78A 156.925 Intership-Ship/shore - commercial 79 156.975 161.575 I *Port Operation 79A 156.975 Intership-Ship/shore - commercial 79B 161.575 C Commercial Fishing - Receive only 80 157.025 161.625 I *Port Operation 80A 157.025 Intership-Ship/shore - commercial 81 157.075 161.675 I *Port Operation 81A 157.075 A *Port Operation (USCG)(CCG anti-pollution) 82 157.125 161.725 I *Port Operation, s/s telephone 82A 157.125 A *Port Operation (USCG)(CCG) 83 157.175 161.775 I *Ship/shore - telephone (CCG) 83A 157.225 A *Intership, Port Operation (USCG) 84 157.225 161.825 Ship/shore - telephone 85 157.275 161.875 Ship/shore - telephone 86 157.325 161.925 Ship/shore - telephone 87 157.375 161.975 Ship/shore - telephone 88 157.425 162.025 IC *Ship/shore - telephone 88A 157.425 A *Intership Weather Channels: (as in Icom IC-M55) Wx1 162.550 Wx2 162.400 Wx3 162.475 Wx4 161.650 Marine 21B - CCG West Coast Weather Broadcasts Wx5 162.425 Wx6 162.500 Wx7 162.525 Wx8 162.450 Wx9 161.775 Marine 83B - CCG Great Lakes & East Wx Broadcasts Wx10 163.275 (Wx5 - Wx10 are not listed in the manual, but are in the radio) The channel usage marked with an asterisk (*) are from tables in Icom IC-M2 and IC-M55 marine radio manuals, and are probably fairly "generic", and subject to change in different jurisdictions. Other channel usage is from my station licence for the Canadian West Coast, and from things overheard on the air. "Your usage may vary." Channels marked (CCG) or (USCG) are for Canadian or US Coast guard authorized stations only. Channel 70 is supposed to be reserved for a future selective calling distress and safety system, but is (illegally) being used for intership communications (even by the RCMP!) The letters under "area" mean: I: International only (non-US) according to Icom C: Canadian usage A: American usage Channels with an "A" suffix are simplex operation on the ship transmit frequency of an international duplex channel. Canada uses a "B" suffix to denote broadcast (one-way) use of the shore transmit side of an international duplex channel. There are no repeaters (as hams know them) in the marine service . If you are willing to pay for a phone call, the telco might let you place a call to another vessel on the same (or different) channel, and so get the effect of a repeater. Peter Bennett, VE7CEI packet: ve7cei@ve7kit.#vanc.bc.can internet: bennett@erich.triumf.ca Peter Bennett VE7CEI | Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight Internet: bennett@erich.triumf.ca | of one another only when one can be Bitnet: bennett@triumfer | observed visually from the other TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada | ColRegs 3(k) ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V93 #1499 ****************************** ******************************